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xBradenH
December 3rd, 2012, 16:23
The critical hit chance is entirely too high. I go into a quest; the first turn I miss. My two level 26 opponents hit me with a critical and an amazing hit :(. Turn two, I deal 3 damage to one of them and I receive yet another critical hit >:8. I cannot remember the last time I dealt a critical hit. I have had 3 or less amazing hits total. >:8
Something needs to be changed, please.

Alex
December 3rd, 2012, 16:51
Wow, the probably of getting a critical and an amazing hit from two attacks is of 0,0125%, that is, 1 time of every 8000 times! That would be really bad luck if you don't made so many turns in the game.

The probability of a critical hit is of 5% (1 of every 20 attacks), same chance for you and for monsters. You have dealt 78 Critical hits and 3 Amazing hits (from the start of those stats counting). You would get those stats after 2760 attacks, so I see the numbers are ok.

Do you mean that you think that a 5% is too high or that you are getting more than a 5% of critical hits?

If you mean the first, it's the same chance for criticals that most of renamed RPGs, and also we have other reasons to keep it, so I can not help you on that (by the moment). If you mean the seconds, we have already log all the rolls and reviewed the statistics, and numbers are ok with the random rolls.

Borbin
December 3rd, 2012, 17:53
the odds are okey for me, even sometimes there are some quests, that unlucky or not u ll get hit like 3-4 times in a combat with just 4 opponents. i remember one in special, after 8 rounds, my top hit was like 9 dmg, got overunned by like 5 criticals... but the modification on damage are too wide, cant be, u hit one round for 3 and the next one for 300, but up to you... its like trying to kill the red dragon of the 1st room (awesome comic btw) with a spoon of 1d1000, if u are lucky its ok, if not u can even start thinking to form a family with some of your followers ;P

my 2 cents...

regards

Alex
December 3rd, 2012, 18:46
Yes asked about that because we have also received some private feedback reporting a high number of critical hits –for that reason we checked the random rolls– but as these reports go on. Ok we will add in next update some internal stats to definitely record every attack and its results (critical hits, amazing... and critical misses), so we can confirm definitely the right application of the critical chance (must be 1 critical hit of every 20 attacks).

About the damage, we are still valuating if set a minimum damage dealt. Current damage is not exactly 1,though its a tiny % of your ATT score –so in most cases is effectively 1. Increasing this minimum damage would unbalance the current attack formulas, so if we would change it, we would have to re-balance some other things. And we still have to decide if we really want to increase this minimum. In classis RPG games as Middle Earth and Rolemaster, as in our game, damage is not fully determined by the weapon, and between a miss and a good hit, there is a full range of intermediate results (from a few damage points to a deadly blow). At the end, what it counts after several attacks, is the average of damage.

xBradenH
December 3rd, 2012, 19:04
It is mainly a concern of critical hits and amazing hits dealt to me. It seems way more than 5%. To even it out, I do manage to dodge several attacks. But when they do hit me, I do not think it should regularly be criticals. Can you pull the stats on the number of criticals I have received?

Alex
December 3rd, 2012, 19:31
No, we have not storing that stat yet, but soon we will record all battles. Anyway I think that now I understand what you are experienced. It's the same that we suspected about other feedback we received, and I will write the first FAQ with this ;)

Well, surely you were fighting monsters smaller than you. If their ATT score is much lower than your DEF, they are not able, or they have only a very low chance of hitting you, so you will not see normal hits from them. But ALL monsters and players have always the 5% chance of a critical hit.

This critical hit is not only an increase in the damage. It is also a certain hit, no matter your defense. We can say that there is a maximum chance of 95% of hitting (because the critical failures) and a minimum chance of 5% of hitting, thanks to the criticals. This way, a monster with no more chances that this 5%, you will only see critical hits from it. But from every 20 attacks, you would get from him 19 misses and 1 critical hit, giving the fake perception of a huge proportion of criticals, a you don't see normal hits.

I'm sorry if I have repeated to much this, but I wanted to make sure I may be understood if I didn't express myself properly.

Alex
December 3rd, 2012, 19:36
About the critical and amazing hits together, it is pure bad luck! :O But I would not worry unless it happen often.

xBradenH
December 3rd, 2012, 19:38
This way, a monsters with no more chances that this 5%, you will only see critical hits from it. But from every 20 attacks, you would get from him 19 misses and 1 critical hit, giving the fake perception of a huge proportion of criticals, a you don't see normal hits.


This makes sense. Thanks Alex :)ยก

Alex
December 3rd, 2012, 19:56
Glad to help. Tomorrow I will make the FAQ with this. Thanks to you.

xBradenH
December 5th, 2012, 12:57
Today, the first quest i do on my own... 3 enemies. I receive an amazing hit on the first turn and two misses. Second turn, two misses and a critical. same for third turn. Either i do have terrible luck. Or there is a bug in the math. I dont mean to complain. But if each enemy has a 5% chance of getting the critical, it should not happen so frequently.

xBradenH
December 5th, 2012, 13:01
I didn't mention that I missed on my first two turns.':[

Alex
December 5th, 2012, 13:46
Today, the first quest i do on my own... 3 enemies. I receive an amazing hit on the first turn and two misses. Second turn, two misses and a critical. same for third turn. Either i do have terrible luck. Or there is a bug in the math. I dont mean to complain. But if each enemy has a 5% chance of getting the critical, it should not happen so frequently.

I didn't mention that I missed on my first two turns.':[

Man, you should not play lottery this Christmas... :8

Now seriuosly, it's too bad results to be just terrible luck. Two weeks ago, we reviewed our logs with the random rolls. After some thousand of rolls made, all the percentiles had a balanced distribution, so the rolls are nice and the dices are not weighted. Anyway I keep my word of what I said yesterday, and we will save logs of all attacks and all results to get to the bottom of this matter. It'll take some time but I will come back here to let you know about the results.

xBradenH
December 5th, 2012, 14:12
It doesnt happen every match now. some matches i dont get hit at all. But when the criticals and amazings come, they happen at once :sour:
I look forward to seeing the overall stats. I've never been a huge fan of dice, maybe you can see why XD

Borbin
December 6th, 2012, 01:11
well alex today i ve launched like 10 attacks to the quest disappering explorers , 3 times we finished untouched the other 7 i went down from 2k to 40 hp, i died even once. add to that the penalty to the att that recieves the mob and... its odd im recieving so many criticals engaging barely more than 3 rounds each time. besides, i would seriosly suggest to review the money system and hire a new useful blacksmith plz, at this rate we are gonna finish lvl 40 epic classes with +1 equipment.

regards,

btw yesterday got my 1st heroic critical ^^

Alex
December 6th, 2012, 14:36
We have reviewed our records. After 200.000 attack rolls, we get a total of (very close to) 10K critical failures (5%) and other 10K critical hits (5%), near 500 (0,25%) amazing hits and 25, an EXACT 0,0125%, heroic hits. Already 2 lucky players got a supreme hits got, btw :V.

These rolls are the same for monsters and players. Actually, dices are right!!! If you notice the opposite, is just a subjective perception. And don't fear about bad luck. If your amount of attack rolls goes up, the luck tends to desappear (casinos know this very well :D)

Zab
December 6th, 2012, 15:24
Can I be the third. Please?

Zab
December 14th, 2012, 11:32
Actually, since going in to play against the monsters quite a bit more than usual, I am noticing the monsters seem to get a lot of critical hits against me too. Quite often, I am the recipient of 3-4 critical hits against me per quest, not to mention amazing hits dealt out in-between. This does seem to be a much higher rate than 5% to me.

Alex
December 14th, 2012, 12:13
We have reviewed our records. After 200.000 attack rolls, we get a total of (very close to) 10K critical failures (5%) and other 10K critical hits (5%), near 500 (0,25%) amazing hits and 25, an EXACT 0,0125%, heroic hits. Already 2 lucky players got a supreme hits got, btw :V.

These rolls are the same for monsters and players. Actually, dices are right!!! If you notice the opposite, is just a subjective perception. And don't fear about bad luck. If your amount of attack rolls goes up, the luck tends to desappear (casinos know this very well :D)

Not only the code, the results were also analyzed; there is exactly a chance of 5% to deal/receive a critical hit, and a 5% of all attacks dealt in the game for several weeks were critical. There will be good streaks and bad streaks, but the global result will be always a 5%.

Maybe you may find interesting this FAQ: http://www.otherwind.com/forum/showthread.php?708-F-A-Q

Ian Newkirk
December 30th, 2012, 01:37
So then I must be unlucky because I haven't gotten a single amazing hit. Based on the math and conservative guesses I should have 3.64 amazing hits. My criticals are almost spot on with the math which is 727 monsters killed and 2 hits per monster I get 72 criticals at %5 which is what I have, but I have 0 amazing hits or higher. So is my conclusion of being unlucky correct?

Ian Newkirk
January 12th, 2013, 23:44
Well its been a week and I have almost 1000 kills but no amazing hits. Also two of my followers have 1 but havent killed nearly as many monsters or have played as long as I have, Is some force trying to conspire against me?

Alex
January 13th, 2013, 05:25
The probability of getting an Amazing Hit is 1 of every 400 attacks, that is, 0.25%. The probability of NOT getting it, is 399 attacks from every 400, that is 100%-0.25%= 99.75%.

The probability of not getting any Amazing Hit after 1000 atacks is 0.9975^1000 = 0.0818 (8.18%) so from every 100 players, you and other 7 more players –this is 1 from evey 12 players– are target of the same force ;)

Furthermore, surely you dealt less than 1000 attacks (I may be worng because I am not viewing your stats or party) and the percentage above would be even higher. Notice that the stat Monsters Defeated include all the monsters that your party is defeating, no matter if you damage it or not.

Ian Newkirk
January 27th, 2013, 23:52
monsters killed 1284, damage dealt 97084, critical hits 113, amazing hits and higher 0

Alex
January 28th, 2013, 05:43
Hello Ian, you are not being still lucky with the amazing hits but they work fine.

The stats so far in th Guilds are pretty fine:
- Critical Hits: 39917
- Amazing Hits: 2025
- Heroic Hits: 85
- Supreme Hits: 5

There must be a rate of 5% among them, that is, 1/20. You can see that the numbers are pretty accurate.